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MLJames wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the warp drive discussion, folks, but here they are: the final versions of both ships.

Zhukov:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/265/zh ... alplan.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5393/z ... alside.jpg
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1290 ... dstern.jpg
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/9360 ... alkeel.jpg

Wallenberg:
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/6248 ... alplan.jpg
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6421 ... alside.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1583 ... wandst.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2539/w ... alkeel.jpg

It's been a lot of hard work getting these done, but it's also been a lot of fun. When I started fooling around with aridas' modular hull idea, I had no clue that I was going to spend as much time on it as I did. However, I think it's time for me to move on to other things. I've started work on the engines for a couple of other projects. However, they're only marginally connected to what we've seen in the FRS, so, when they're ready for posting, I'll be putting them up in the Miscellaneous section.

We now return you to your previously scheduled technical discussion.


I am totally impressed with these designs. :D :D I was wondering when someone was going to do frigate in the Phase 2 design. These are totally fantastic. Are you also going to do a Miranda version??


12 Mar 2012 14:15
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Your hard work definitely paid off bigtime... that is some AWESOME work! And in color to boot! Seriously, you have some great illustration work there... thanks for sharing it with us all.


21 Mar 2012 04:05
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Aridas,

Something I've been wondering. Is there a functional/historical basis for the "Picket" classification being used during the time covered by your "22nd Century" and "Modular Fleet" charts?

I've been equating this term to the 1950's Distant Early Warning picket lines that were established to detect incoming Soviet nuclear bombers as close to their launch point as possible, and allow time for them to be intercepted far away from their targets. The introduction later of satellites and ICBM's made the function and its terms obsolete.

So I've been assuming the term "picket" in this era relates in part to the infancy of subspace scanning and communications capabilities. That with the slow speed and limited range of those systems early on, a sphere of patrol ships equipped with high-powered large arrays...spaced apart at regular intervals...would be needed to detect unknown spacecraft and communicate the information back to allow sufficient time to evaluate and respond. And that later, advances in subspace communications and possibly the 'breaking of the time barrier' rendered this sort of defense (or at least the way it worked at that time) and the term 'picket' as obsolete as their 1950's counterparts.

Is this thinking accurate? It bears on some ideas I've been playing around with, so I was curious.

Thanks.

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Todd and I spent a lot of time discussing the "un-Roddenberryness" of the name "destroyer". His answer was "aggressor". Mine was "picket". I was focusing on a particular role of destroyers- a sentinel acting to screen a fleet from an attacker. My idea was that until the 23rd century, almost all ships traveled in fleets or, if merchants, in convoys. The dangers of starflight precluded any other way to go. Cruisers were extraordinary ships that required many times the resource allocation to allow them to go it alone. Clippers would go it alone without a lot of those resources, acting as fast, territorial pickets and setting the traditions that would carry over to PAs in the future.

Pickets are thus, first, the predecessors of the varied group of destroyers of the mid 23rd century. And destroyers act as pickets in the 23rd century fleets. A single purpose ship type evolved to take on more roles, include more independent types (like the aggressors) and later cease to exist as a type, becoming purely a role.

Their traditions would thus include some of the bravado of the clippers>PAs, rooted in their role as defenders acting as an outer screen, a tripwire, a sacrificial lamb.

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OK I see. Thanks! I wasn't sure how their early role compared with their "current" one.

I think I'm still okay though. What I'm actually playing around with is the other side of the old DEW system equation, the Interceptor. Only not a shuttlecraft type, but a small ship.

So by "un-Roddenberryness", do you mean too military sounding? If that's the case I like 'picket' better than 'aggressor'. To me, while "destroyer" has a mlitant tone, it still conveys a defensive nature while "aggressor" sounds like somebody out there just looking for a fight. :) On that though I do think Franz Joseph may have been utilizing the term in a less traditional manner to begin with.

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Well, Roddenberry himself used it when describing Kirk's first command. "destroyer-equivalent" I think he said. I take that to be a picket. But yes, we thought it sounded a bit militant for his universe.

"Aggressor" and "guardian" would be two other destroyer types (in my opinion). One focusing on taking on an incoming enemy, the other in shielding the other ships. In SSW parlance, the same externally but one emphasizing shields and the other weapons.

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25 Mar 2012 22:18
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well... "escort" or "defender" could work...

i wonder how Trek would've been different if GR had come from a Navy career, rather than Air Force - and if there had been some blue-water navy familiarity on the production staff... ; )

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Well the is a difference between "escourt" and "destroyer" - primarily one of size... Chech out the differences between a Flower class, and a destroyer escout, and a destroyer...


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MLJames wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the warp drive discussion, folks, but here they are: the final versions of both ships.


I just stumbled onto this thread (yeah, six months late) and I've gotta say that these are really cool. Really really cool. In fact, they're so cool that I'm going to have to figure out how to print to our high quality printer at work so that I can print them out on 11 X 17 inch paper so I can put them up on my wall. (I've covered my kitchen wall with Trek blueprints because, well, I find them more interesting than boring regular artwork, and since my girlfriend has a Dalek collection it's not like she's going to call me a geek or anything.)


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I've managed to print out the Wallenberg and Zhukov on 11 x 17 sheets of paper (not yet in color--gotta figure out the color setting for our big printer). I'm going to frame them and put them on my wall.

Have you done any back-story for them? How many in the class? What are the differences between the two classes?

I notice a key difference compared to the Coventry is that these ships have two impulse sets, with a single hangar in between them, instead of a single impulse set with two hangars. What is the reason for that? I could see this as a single larger hangar (with a smaller single door), and a requirement for two impulse sets because of some operational requirements. Perhaps these ships were intended to operate near gas giants or some other location where they would require more than the regular impulse power.


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