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I think they are both great. That was the idea with Monoceros. Not a Coronado structure specifically but a smoother though similar expanded engineering deck that integrates impulse and warp engineering. I like the Coronado structure though, and it gets the same idea across.

Same for Surya. This is true to SotSF1, and the Avenger Plans depicted an Achernar-based Surya. I really don't like the dating for any of those ships anymore and would love to dig back into them, using the early frigate designs Mark and I have developed based on my Republic design, the Modular Fleet Chart and the hull pressure compartment idea developed by Shaw to look at how an early numbered frigate like Coventry might have appeared at first. Then use Miranda as a PB-25, pre-Surya and pick up Surya with PB-31 nacelles in a 2230s configuration.

The only thing I think you are really missing is evacuation vents for the flight decks on the corners of your aft superstructure. With the topside phasers on the B/C deck, you might want to play with adding those deflector strips from the forward sides of Enterprise's secondary hull to the position they have topside the saucer on Reliant.

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For some odd reason (and I can't remember where I picked it up), I always thought those "vents" were maneuvering thrusters; this is the first time I've heard them called evacuation vents. (Why a ship would need so blasted many of them if they are thrusters is another matter entirely.)

As far as the deflector strips go, that's a pretty good idea. In fact, I did something similar a while back with the Wright-Corder-styled Cutty Sark fast frigate in the same era. As I said earlier, I did these mainly as a break from stuff I'd been working on, and as something I could bang together pretty easily from pre-existing parts in my toolkit. I was planning to do a similar take on the SOTSF Coventry as well, but I never had the time.

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21 Sep 2016 19:48
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This is going to be the first of a couple of posts updating image links. I've already done so in a couple of my topics, but I decided to use this topic for the master links. All of them are keyed to albums, not individual drawings. If you run across a link to my drawings that doesn't work, try here. I'm going to start off with completed ships, and eventually I'll get to my unfinished stuff (I'll be doing those as I work my way through my unfinished projects). Here we go.................

Acosta original configuration: http://imgur.com/a/ofDxv

Acosta refit configuration: http://imgur.com/a/REl29

Andromeda pen and ink original: http://imgur.com/a/jIXwe

Andromeda line version: http://imgur.com/a/UogVL

Coronado failed concept: http://imgur.com/a/RGhu3

Cousteau: http://imgur.com/a/Fvo4n

Cutty Sark: http://imgur.com/a/n4AV8

Discovery pen and ink original: http://imgur.com/a/lPoHK

Discovery line version: http://imgur.com/a/xrXmN

Dollond: http://imgur.com/a/WSjLB

Doppler pen and ink version: http://imgur.com/a/xPVMO

Doppler line version: http://imgur.com/a/sHuTL

Doppler prototype pen and ink version: http://imgur.com/a/27M9o

Doppler prototype line version: http://imgur.com/a/CrIe7

Dreyer: http://imgur.com/a/gKhQ3

Earhart first draft: http://imgur.com/a/0c1IS

Earhart line version: http://imgur.com/a/nsdsV

Federation: http://imgur.com/a/LRH5p

Galahad: http://imgur.com/a/FNmlx

Galahad with Tikopai styling: http://imgur.com/a/5kzWq

Heinlein pen and ink original: http://imgur.com/a/BqY9B

Heinlein line version: http://imgur.com/a/WIRzE

Heinlein "engines up" variant: http://imgur.com/a/MK9K9

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Ibn Rustah: http://imgur.com/a/vhmsp

Kepler pen and ink original: http://imgur.com/a/crKz9

Kepler, Kepler subclass: http://imgur.com/a/lrWcf

Kepler, Ambartsumian subclass: http://imgur.com/a/0lQoy

Kepler final configuration: http://imgur.com/a/aVfwz

Khafre 1: http://imgur.com/a/MkHAg

Khafre 2 first draft: http://imgur.com/a/0cScT

Khafre 2 second draft: http://imgur.com/a/oItZH

Khafre 2 final version: http://imgur.com/a/gcojk

Khafre 3, networked engine version: http://imgur.com/a/QptRd

Khafre 3, SCNN version: http://imgur.com/a/5uTCj

Lancelot: http://imgur.com/a/ZZcQZ

Lancelot "engines up" variant: http://imgur.com/a/GNZJi

Menkaure 1: http://imgur.com/a/Pd3B8

Menkaure 2: http://imgur.com/a/ql2Pf

Momsen first draft: http://imgur.com/a/yYW6o

Momsen line version: http://imgur.com/a/4DhQl

Monoceros: http://imgur.com/a/2cEp8

Oersted 1: http://imgur.com/a/c1keN

Oersted 2: http://imgur.com/a/hvmTj

Pellucidar: http://imgur.com/a/R5Adz

Pellucidar with fewer windows: http://imgur.com/a/ptSPp

Phoenix/Hawk: http://imgur.com/a/qlxnz

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Ptolemy 1: http://imgur.com/a/FNuuY

Ptolemy 2: http://imgur.com/a/LpmaJ

Ptolemy 2, revised: http://imgur.com/a/vwwyo

Ptolemy 3: http://imgur.com/a/IyQqo

Ptolemy 3, revised: http://imgur.com/a/kuoF1

Qrna 1, chart configuration: http://imgur.com/a/vxEKq

Qrna 1, first draft: http://imgur.com/a/PoF1L

Qrna 1, line version: http://imgur.com/a/p2VO5

Qrna 2: http://imgur.com/a/p5tUW

Questor: http://imgur.com/a/wjx34

Saladin, TMP livery: http://imgur.com/a/8HRO8

Shahr original configuration: http://imgur.com/a/VMZiO

Surya, FYW configuration: http://imgur.com/a/PPvBk

Unnamed Patrol Combatant: http://imgur.com/a/gp6nt

Vostok: http://imgur.com/a/TPhso

Wallenberg: http://imgur.com/a/pzK40

Wyndham 1, chart configuration: http://imgur.com/a/GD6M8

Wyndham 1, line version: http://imgur.com/a/Gr7YW

Wyndham 2: http://imgur.com/a/0HoWZ

Zhukov: http://imgur.com/a/m7D2J


I didn't have time to convert the Phase II style Decatur I did before I had to go to bed last night; that'll have to wait until Saturday. I should have one or two others to upload as well. The only other completed set I've got is a version of the Surya prototype using the Detroyat hull. I sent Nasensce a set of the drawings years ago, asking his permission to post them, but I never heard back from him. They'll stay offline until I get his okay.

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These are all fantastic. MLJames' work, along with Ahkyahnan's and, to a lesser extent, some Vance-based stuff by Jason Bogguess (plus some things by Vance) all have influenced what I've been doing. Clearly MLJames has developed the Modular Fleet chart to an exhaustive degree much as Ahkyahnan did with the cruiser, frigate and sloop evolution. I tried to see these works through a very Franz Joseph-Matt Jefferies lens to come up with what I have been doing. But on their own they are great and worthy additions.

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07 Jul 2017 08:24
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Last of the completed stuff (including one I finished this weekend):

Phase II-style Decatur prototype: http://imgur.com/a/okwSC

Khufu 1: http://imgur.com/a/6YTox

A couple of comparison shots of the Giza Group test vessels: http://imgur.com/a/qpICX

Deneva rejected dreadnought concept, pen and ink version: http://imgur.com/a/nmxxy

Deneva, final version: http://imgur.com/a/aMZa7

As I mentioned some time ago when I first posted Deneva, years back I drew up two competitor competitors to Federation. Since the write-up in FRS stated that Federation was the first dreadnought concept to mount the third engine to the saucer, I had to come up with alternate ways of mating the engine to the secondary hull. aridas quite rightly pointed out back then that the most logical point for doing so is on the saucer, since it gives the hull warp capability if separation becomes necessary, but I wanted to try my hand at coming up with concepts that seemed viable. The idea behind the project was that these proposals were rejected far more for political reasons than for any flaws with their designs.

At the same time I decided to relocate them into earlier eras (both Deneva and Yamato were originally contemporary with Federation). In Deneva's case, since she's now a proposal from roughly the same time as Constitution, I decided to play around with the engine mounting and base it on the old ringship idea. If you drew a big enough circle around the secondary hull center, the engine centers would lie on that circle, offset from each other by 120 degrees. When I get around to it, Yamato's going to be set in the Bonhomme Richard era, just before the Four Years War kicks off. In her case, the rejection was due largely to the need to get cheaper, less elaborate, and less experimental designs out of the yards and onto the front lines as quickly as possible, which left that battlewagon unbuilt. But, again, that's down the road a little ways; I've got a bunch of half-completed projects I want to finish off first.

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The Phase II Decatur version is interesting enough in a post TOS/TAS - pre TMP context. The idea of variations within classes in the Ptolemy family is interesting although some are completely different from what I know according to reference blueprints (Dollond class for instance).

Are you developping them in a separate way or universe or just as aborted STAR FLEET projects?


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The basic layouts of the pen and ink originals of the Ptolemy family date back more than a quarter-century; I completed the final versions on paper back in 1993. Back then, the only reference materials I'd ever seen relating to any of those were, of course, the Tech Manual, the Ptolemy pages in the FRS, and the silhouettes of Ptolemy and Kepler on the Ship Recognition Chart. As far as I knew when I started, there wasn't anything else to work with. On my own, I decided to mirror the Enterprise Development blueprint set with the transport/tugs, showing them as they evolved over their operational careers.

When I got into computer drafting and started to post here, I was able to get a lot of input that I simply didn't have access to from the blueprint sets I had. Mostly this related to the view a la Probert that linear warp engines had to have clear lines of sight between the nacelles to operate. While I don't hold that view myself (in my view, any technology powerful enough to change the configuration of spacetime wouldn't be impeded by a piddly few thousand tons of mass), I design the things I post here to operate within the FRS rules. It gave me the opportunity to stretch my mind to try to find ways to adapt the old drawings to fit those guidelines. I've had a lot of fun as a result, and I continue to do so. I've still got lots of stuff in various stages of completion in my files. I'm not done yet by a long shot.

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I'd like to see Deneva with TAS naceles--a beefed up Enterprise.


15 Jul 2017 14:32
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